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Signal obviously
I’ve never heard anyone suggest telegram as a private service.
Signal. Also, the solution to the “no-one on signal” problem is simply to refuse to use insecure platforms like WhatsApp. If people want to talk to you then, they have to download signal. They might get annoyed with you, but sometimes a bit of coercion is necessary to get people to do what’s good for them.
Neither really. Telegram is closed source on the servers and is known to cooperate with governments and law enforcement. Signal is the better option but I refuse to use an app that requires my phone number when alternatives like Matrix; XMPP; and Session exist. My phone number is tied to my name; address; and payment methods. It’s not a small ask of Signal in my opinion.
IMO Signal is about having private communications, not anonymity. Sure, apps like SimpleX Chat and Session are great, but they are useless without someone to chat with. Signal is, for the average user, the perfect balance of privacy and convenience. Your chances of getting people to switch to Signal are higher than to others because of its simplicity.
Completely agree with you. I think a lot of people confuse privacy vs anonymity.
I’m a regular Telegram user, but it is definitely not as good as Signal in terms of privacy
@Albin9326 Out of those, I guess Signal. Telegram has however a larger userbase and more features afaik. However, I am on Telegram and I don’t think I will make the switch to Signal, rather I’ll go full time on XMPP with OMEMO and PGP. OMEMO is made after the Signal protocol, and PGP is so versatile. I wish I could use it for everything, sadly, none of my friends use it and I am having a hard time explaining how it works to others.
Stop “trusting” your messaging platform and use matrix for fucks sake.
me: a telegram premium user reading comments 👀 guys the fact is that signal is fucking empty, there’s nothing. lacking of a lot of features and one thing that is the worst (for me) is that signal isn’t social and (as I saw when i used it) there aren’t any public group or channels. I use Telegram for everything, as music player, as private chatting and as social app but sane and without an algorithm that tracks me, and knowing that there isn’t CIA behind me watching me enjoying memes is enough. I also saw someone posting an article about Telegram not having e2e encryption, the reason for that (as I known) is the sync from all devices being difficult to have with e2e and the contents of the messages are very heavy (looking at animated emojis, reactions, stickers ecc). Of course I’d prefer to have a more secure app like Signal that has e2e and has been suggested by EU itself, but if I have to think all the thing I’m loosing to just have 1 feature, that doesn’t that much to me (telegram has never given any info to policy as i know and a lot of illegal things happens on telegram proving that maybe their privacy is better than you think), I prefer to have a lot of more features. If you want to correct me I’ll enjoy reading more on the platform I like.
@progettarsi @Albin9326 Telegram did actually share user info with authorities:
https://www.livelaw.in/news-updates/after-court-order-telegram-discloses-phone-numbers-ip-addresses-of-users-accused-of-sharing-infringing-material-215311
https://www.androidcentral.com/apps-software/telegram-reportedly-gives-user-data-to-german-authoritiesYet they still claim that they “have disclosed 0 bytes of user data to third parties, including governments”.
for the first i didn’t really understand the circumstances (the sites requires subscribtion to read the article) for the second i guess it’s normal that if you do something anti ethical you don’t deserve the privacy the app offered to you. like dark web is nice for not getting censured but pedosites needs to be shutted down and people behind them punished
@progettarsi > the sites requires subscribtion to read the article
Here’s a link without a pay wall
https://web.archive.org/web/20230207144839/https://www.livelaw.in/news-updates/after-court-order-telegram-discloses-phone-numbers-ip-addresses-of-users-accused-of-sharing-infringing-material-215311> it’s normal that if you do something anti ethical you don’t deserve the privacy the app offered to you
This contradicts what you said earlier : “a lot of illegal things happens on telegram proving that maybe their privacy is better than you think”
yeah a lot of illegal things happen on telegram = the app tries to cover you how it can, but if the law claims a thing there isn’t a lot to do
@progettarsi Then they shouldn’t publicize their app as a private messaging app, since they have access to our supposedly private conversations. That is actively harming their users because they’re giving them a false sense of security. I have some IRL friends who think Telegram is more private than WhatsApp (which is obviously wrong because WhatsApp at least uses E2EE **by default**) due to this false publicity.
i’m that friend. telegram isn’t selling my data and isn’t spying on my chat while I’m writing which makes e2e useless. also telegram isn’t owned by a multimillionaire corporation that is famous for selling any data of its users. And honestly I’m feeling better chatting on an app that admits that doesn’t have e2e, that WhatsApp selling itself as e2e but spying on its users constantly My personal rank in security is: 1. Signal, the best in security but lacking of features; 2. Telegram, good security and a lot of features, in contact with the community; 3. WhatsApp, lacking of features, owned by Meta, spying on users
