Both host content that are against our content policy and have had issues with
users from those sites entering our community crossposting content that violates
our content policy. We are discussing defederating other instances as well.
There is discussion of lemmit.online being defederated because it pretty much
exclusively scrapes reddit content and reposts it, and some content creators
have expressed discomfort. If there’s other instances that might be worth
considering defederating from, just post and it’ll be added to the current
discussion. and before anyone brings it up, lemmygrad defederated with us. This
isn’t a dictatorship but I ask that you please behave in the comment section and
at least try to understand why we are defederating.
It’s a shame too because about 1/4 of the subs on lewd loli were from there (I think that’s how it works).
Even if we did do that, people would defederate us just in general, it’d also almost certainly be seen as us bending or breaking on our stances, by doing this we’re essentially saying that they have power over us.
If they have power over us, we are no more friendly to free speech and expression than they let us be. We will not bend or break on our policies. If it wasn’t for the loli’s they’d defederate us for other reasons, we’re not going to be pressured into ruling with a golden hammer and sickle like other instances do.
Not to mention, it would split up our own communities between 2 separate instances and put more work on us by having 2 instances to maintain instead of one. That’s extra manpower and resources we’d have to dedicate, resources we just don’t have and for an end goal that we have no desire to achieve (and is realistically unachievable).
Lemmy NSFW was loli friendly until the change in leadership as of today, posting lolis on their instance was not against the rules, so there’s nothing to punish.
If you don’t want the extra workload, that’s totally fair. You’re under no obligation to go out of your way here. However, if you’re just pessimistic about the odds of success, I’d urge you to contact the admins of the defederated instances and ask. Alternatively, I’d be willing to inquire on your behalf if you’d like.
I know the jurisdictional legality of loli is a concern, plus not wanting it to end up in All. Those would both be addressed by not federating with .moe directly. The other usual concerns about free speech instances are already addressed by your rules. The other admins may not even be aware of what the rules are here.
I think there is a general desire to keep the fediverse mostly connected, and that at least some admins would refederate once they know that you’re reasonable and that their concerns have been addressed.
I appreciate your optimism, but it is not worth the extra manpower and financial burden it would put upon us to run 2 instances. As it stands, we run Burggit entirely out of our own pockets, and the costs to just continue running it are only growing. I also do not have the time to moderate another instance, which would (in my opinion) not be worth the effort that would need to be put into it. So, even if the idea is 100% flawless and would be executed and work perfectly. It would not be worth it to me or @Burger@burggit.moe to put on the substantial burden in making such an instance, maintaining it and moving our SFW communities over to it. That’s just a huge ask.
It’s unfortunately not pessimism on Mastodon/Pleroma/Akkoma there’s kind of 2 sides of the fediverse there. Instances which have a focus on speech, expression or some other variation of the sorts (much like Burggit). And the safe spaces which are closer to Beehaw and others. If you as an instance so much as federate with the “problematic” instances, you’re immediately defederated. There’s even a thing called “fediblock” which allows people to basically tattle on other instances for wrong think and have everyone in the fediblock network automagically defederate them.
Even if we did do that, people would defederate us just in general, it’d also almost certainly be seen as us bending or breaking on our stances, by doing this we’re essentially saying that they have power over us.
If they have power over us, we are no more friendly to free speech and expression than they let us be. We will not bend or break on our policies. If it wasn’t for the loli’s they’d defederate us for other reasons, we’re not going to be pressured into ruling with a golden hammer and sickle like other instances do.
Not to mention, it would split up our own communities between 2 separate instances and put more work on us by having 2 instances to maintain instead of one. That’s extra manpower and resources we’d have to dedicate, resources we just don’t have and for an end goal that we have no desire to achieve (and is realistically unachievable).
Lemmy NSFW was loli friendly until the change in leadership as of today, posting lolis on their instance was not against the rules, so there’s nothing to punish.
Hope this helps to address your concerns.
If you don’t want the extra workload, that’s totally fair. You’re under no obligation to go out of your way here. However, if you’re just pessimistic about the odds of success, I’d urge you to contact the admins of the defederated instances and ask. Alternatively, I’d be willing to inquire on your behalf if you’d like.
I know the jurisdictional legality of loli is a concern, plus not wanting it to end up in All. Those would both be addressed by not federating with .moe directly. The other usual concerns about free speech instances are already addressed by your rules. The other admins may not even be aware of what the rules are here.
I think there is a general desire to keep the fediverse mostly connected, and that at least some admins would refederate once they know that you’re reasonable and that their concerns have been addressed.
I appreciate your optimism, but it is not worth the extra manpower and financial burden it would put upon us to run 2 instances. As it stands, we run Burggit entirely out of our own pockets, and the costs to just continue running it are only growing. I also do not have the time to moderate another instance, which would (in my opinion) not be worth the effort that would need to be put into it. So, even if the idea is 100% flawless and would be executed and work perfectly. It would not be worth it to me or @Burger@burggit.moe to put on the substantial burden in making such an instance, maintaining it and moving our SFW communities over to it. That’s just a huge ask.
It’s unfortunately not pessimism on Mastodon/Pleroma/Akkoma there’s kind of 2 sides of the fediverse there. Instances which have a focus on speech, expression or some other variation of the sorts (much like Burggit). And the safe spaces which are closer to Beehaw and others. If you as an instance so much as federate with the “problematic” instances, you’re immediately defederated. There’s even a thing called “fediblock” which allows people to basically tattle on other instances for wrong think and have everyone in the fediblock network automagically defederate them.
Alright, fair enough