Welcome to Ask Burggit, wanted to get it off the ground and make an initial post, and I was kind of curious to see what people would answer.
Welcome to Ask Burggit, wanted to get it off the ground and make an initial post, and I was kind of curious to see what people would answer.
I saw that this was one of the first communities to be defederated by beehaw.org, so I clicked on it expecting some nazi shithole or something and was surprised to find it was a perfectly normal looking community. Additionally, as someone who loves Touhou music, I was excited to see some touhou related subreddits like Cirno were here so I joined. While I personally don’t enjoy nsfw art all that much (other than for the memes) and I dislike lolicon content, I treat the acceptance of all types of art as a good benchmark for whether a community truly cares about free speech and am very glad to see that it is not forbidden.
Most of my use of reddit was on FOSS and linux related subreddits so I’ll probably still have to join another instance since a lot of them are currently getting bigger on lemmy.ml/beehaw, but i’m glad to be here too for the anime/doujin/nsfw stuff and I hope to see it grow. It will be amazing if this can grow while respecting free speech but also not turn into an extremist-filled site like Voat did.
That leads me to ask, why do so many instances defederate this community in particular? For instance, lemmy.one as of now lists this as the only blocked community! Why??!! I’m guessing maybe people see that it’s loli friendly and assume it’s a place full of actual pedos without actually looking at the content of the site to see that it’s not.
I really hope that other instances will begin to accept this community. But there will probably be some major shifts in the lemmy world over the next few weeks due to the lemmy.ml shenanigans so who knows what will happen.
We do not aim to be another Voat/Kiwifarms/Gab, to learn more about that, check out this post here: https://burggit.moe/post/5280 We will definitely step in if needed to prevent things going in that direction.
As for why people block us. Lemmy.ml is heavy communist instance, you can not say anything even semi-negative about China, North Korea, or other communist countries over there without an immediate ban. So, we were bound to be defederated from them.
Other instances probably saw we are loli friendly and immediately assumed the worst. A large swath of people think that loli and IRL CSAM/CSEM are essentially the same thing and do the exact same damage, which is, frankly, retarded. << That could be another reason why other instances block us, we have no interest in moderating slurs/offending language so long as people are not directly harassing individuals or groups of individuals directly. This could explain Beehaw’s defederating us, since they are very much as “safe space” instance. Users can’t even make their own communities on there without the higher ups facilitating it.
Hopefully this answers your questions. We’re happy to have you here, and we hope to see you along for the ride as we continue to grow! Enjoy the ride.
Doesn’t help that some countries have outlawed lolis, treating them the same as CSAM which I assume would make owners of instances in those jurisdictions hit the defederate button asap to avoid having nuclear material on their hard drive.
Thank you! Seems like we agree. I’m excited to see what this place will become
That would be my impression…
In general whenever the topic of ‘loli’ comes up it’s filled with vitriol and hate by those against it. Honestly, I don’t even hold them being against it against them; It’s something that a lot of people find reprehensible, and is illegal in a lot of places. I can understand not wanting to accidentally come across it.
I just wish these people didn’t assume the worst in those of us into that. The sheer level of vitriol and contempt gets to me, sometimes.
…Well, in any case, it’s most likely the loli thing. That seems to be the justification I’ve seen in most threads talking about defederating burggit, anyway.
I’m of the opinion that they use Loli as the reason just cause it’s the easiest, but if we didn’t allow loli I’m sure it’d be defederated for something else. We’re very lax when it comes to content, allowing pretty much anything so long as it’s legal and doesn’t actively cause problems for our instance or its users. I just think allowing loli gives people an easy out to immediately defederate without having to explain themselves too much. I’m seeing instances become more and more defederation happy as things progress. I can see a split happening, similar to how things are currently on mastodon/pleroma/akkoma. As lemmy instances rise and fall, this will become less of an issue, since no matter which side you are on will have enough federated with you to not be too excluded. Even if for the short term it causes us to be less-federated.
I definitely think that sticking with our policies is far more important than worrying about federation, since what matters most is what our users think of us, not what other users think of us. I saw someone compare this to countries in the past, where you’re going to put the needs of your country over the needs of others. I think that’s fairly accurate for this.
While I would love to see this instance grow, that does make sense. If one wants to see the other stuff that badly, they can join the other instances. There wouldn’t be much of a reason, in my mind, to sacrifice the ‘identity’ of the instance just for that.
Though I may be a bit biased in that regard. Not a lot of forums are labelled as ‘loli friendly’.
As for the other point you mentioned… I could see that. That happened even on reddit, with whole subreddits sometimes banning users who participated in one subreddit or another.
Well you can rest assured we will not be bending or breaking on our policies. That is a promise!